16: How to get to the Root Cause of all Chronic Disease with Dr. Tom O’Bryan

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Did you know that a leaky gut can lead to a leaky brain?

Dr. Tom O’Bryan is an expert on gluten-related disorders, an author, and the founder of theDr.com.

Today, Dr. Tom is here to share how inflammation affects more areas of your health than you might think. 

You’ll learn how to tell if you’re having inflammation issues in your body and how to turn those around. 

He’ll also go deep into the topic of gluten and other food sensitivities, so you can know what to cut out to feel stronger and healthier. 

Also diving into the topic of leaky gut, you’ll hear that many other organs can leak too. 

Dr. Tom O’Bryan is here to inspire you that no matter how long you’ve been struggling with your health issues, there’s always another way. 

Key Topics and Tips

  • 5 contributors to chronic inflammatory disease.
  • Why most people in the world actually die from inflammation.
  • Dr. Tom’s view on antidepressants. 
  • The link between inflammation and both food sensitivities and autoimmune disorders. 
  • Organic vs. inorganic fruits and vegetables.
  • How becoming a parent changed Dr. Tom as a doctor. 


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Memorable Quotes

“So if your deck of cards, you were dealt, the gene for Alzheimer’s, it doesn’t mean you’re getting Alzheimer’s, but it means if you pull it the chain too much, that’s the link that’s likely to break and then you’re going to get Alzheimer’s. So the takeaway is don’t pull the chain so hard.” (9:34, Dr. O’Bryan)

“For every one message from the brain telling the gut what to do there are nine messages from the gut telling the brain what to do.” (20:45, Dr. O’Bryan)

“You’re lucky if you’re one of the ones that get symptoms.” (30:06, Jackie)

“Gluten is not bad for you. Bad gluten is bad for you.” (47:46, Jackie)

“If you’re letting the water run in the bathroom sink while you’re brushing your teeth because you’re so used to hearing the water running, it’s a nice sound for you, but people are dying in the world of starvation. We have to change the way we think.” (1:00, Dr. O’Bryan)

“No parent is consciously sabotaging their child’s development, but they haven’t taken the time to learn how they may be unconsciously sabotaging their child’s development.” (1:04, Dr. O’Bryan)


16: How to get to the Root Cause of all Chronic Disease with Dr. Tom O’Bryan

[00:00:00] The vast majority of the rest of the genes, like the breast cancer genes, BRACA one, BRACA two, the Alzheimer’s genes, April for the diabetic genes, the celiac genes. They don’t mean you’re going to get the disease. You know, if you pull it a chain, it breaks it. The weakest link always. And that’s at one end, the middle, the other end.

It’s your heart, your brain, your liver, your kidneys, wherever your genetic weak link is. That’s where the chain is going to break. So if your deck of cards you were dealt, the gene for Alzheimer’s, it doesn’t mean you’re getting all the time. But it means if you pull it the chain too much, that’s the length that’s likely to break and then you’re going to get Alzheimer’s.

Hi there. Welcome to the field better now, podcast. I’m your host, Jackie Balca. And if you’ve arrived here, no, there is something in here to spark yourself to create a better future in [00:01:00] your health, in your career, in your relationships for both yourself and for those around you, just one small action. Step at a time with so much love and gratitude to be your guide.

Let’s get started,

Jackie. Hey everyone. Jackie baggy here today, we have such a special guest, the incredibly talented Dr. Tom O’Bryan. One of my personal heroes. I’m a student of Tom’s as a certified gluten-free practitioner. We chat about the five pillars contributing to 90% of all disease. That’s nine out of 10 people.

This is the stuff we need to learn in school and need to know. Tom is a class act. He has two fantastic books, the autoimmune fix, and you can fix your brain and a free free 10 day leaky gut challenge, which you do not [00:02:00] want to miss. The link is in the show notes. Dr. Tom is a world expert on gluten and its impact on health, and he has been sharing evidence-based research for 40 years.

Enjoy this very meaningful chat about how to fix. Better now through reducing inflammation and improving your gut health. Tom shares, practical strategies you can put in place right now to upgrade yourself and your health listening to find out how Dr. Tom is a true gift. I’m proud. He’s my teacher and I hope he will become yours too.

Welcome. Welcome. Welcome. We are honored to have Dr. Tom O’Brien on the show today. Thank you so much for taking time out of your beautiful family evening to be with us. Oh, thank you, Jackie. It’s a pleasure to be with you. It really is. I think the work you’re doing is critically important, carrying out these messages from experts from around the world so that everyone can listen to this digested, chew it up inside a [00:03:00] little bit and see how it takes.

Kind of really get in with it and digested a bit, uh, yes. A great analogy. Cause we’ll talk about digestive juices. No doubt today. So I am a student of yours, Dr. Tom, and I’ll never forget in 2016 meeting you in person, when you were launching the autoimmune fix such a fabulous book. It’s my first question to you talks about some research.

We recently conducted we’ve surveyed over 10,000 people globally on their energy and what contributes to them having either good energy or not. So good energy. We found that over 78% of people are reporting gut imbalances of some sort. They’re not pooping enough. They’re not digesting their food.

They’re bloating. That’s an incredible number, 78% of people. Fascinating. It is, but what’s really marvelous is you asking them the [00:04:00] question so that they have to think about it because most people accept as normal that their bowels don’t work properly and they think last normal for me, it’s always been that way.

No, it’s not normal. It may be common, but it’s not normal. And that’s a critical difference to India. Yes. I completely agree common, but not normal. I wish people could go round with that phrase in their head. Like, why do we, I was just, uh, I received a text message from a client yesterday. Uh, and I was asking him, which I learnt off you to rate his scale between a zero and a 10.

And he said, well, I started as a four and now I’m a seven. So I’m feeling pretty good. And I thought, why would you accept feeling pretty good. All right. So what is it going to take to get to a 10? What are your thoughts on that? Realistically? I don’t think it’s possible to live as a 10. I don’t, our world is too stressful if we were living in the jungle and my wife and I are blessed enough to be able to live in the jungle now.

And [00:05:00] we don’t see people unless we want to. And the closest town is 18 miles away. We express gratitude every day and how wonderful we feel just bathing. One-year-old son in love and being completely focused on him, but that’s not life that’s possible for very many people on the planet. And I don’t know how long it can last for us, but really grateful we have it now, but I’d say right now, probably we’re living at a 9.6 or 9.7, you know, something.

But I think realistically, everyone, I don’t care if you have rheumatoid or Ms. Everyone can get to be an eight to an 8.5 on a regular consistent basis, but you know, we’re also human and we’re going to screw up. We can always do, you know, too much stress overreacting to something and you look back and say, well, it really wasn’t that big a deal.

Why did I react like that? You know, but those stress hormones have an impact on [00:06:00] how our body functions. So everybody wants to be at 10 and think that that’s possible. Excuse me. But I think that’s how. That’s not really possible, but an eight to an 8.5, you know, a good solid B on a scale. You know, if 90 to a hundred is an a and 80 to 90 is a B.

If you’ve got a good solid B going on, then that’s great. I’d be very happy with that. Yes. Awesome. Well, I love the reference to Ms and disease and a paper that you and I both respect, which is by Alessio Fasano, all disease begins in the parentheses leaky gut. Talk to me about why you bring that up a lot in your talks.

Professor Fasano. We think he’s going to win the Nobel prize. We truly do. He won the Linus Pauling award from the Institute of functional medicine. A few years ago, it was the unanimous vote by the committee because he and his team are the ones who [00:07:00] identified the protein that causes this thing that we now call leaky gut.

They identified the protein called zonulin back in 1997. And here’s the mechanism. Here’s how it occurs. And they have been publishing papers on this since then, literally hundreds of papers, I don’t know, 300, 400 papers on the impact of leaky gut. And professor Fasano has now shown. And this is what they’re teaching at Harvard medical school.

Right? So what you’re listening to is what they’re getting much more complicated, but this is the premise of what they’re getting at Harvard medical school, that there are five contributors or five factors that set the stage for what professor DeSanto calls the perfect storm in the development of chronic inflammatory disease.

Now people often don’t. Associate those terms, [00:08:00] chronic inflammatory disease. And don’t know what that means in the us. Nine of the top 10 causes of death are chronic inflammatory diseases. That means almost everybody is dying from a chronic inflammatory disease. The only exception to that is unintentional accidents or injuries.

That’s not something that’s been developing over time. Everything else, cancer, high blood pressure, diabetes, or Alzheimer’s autoimmune diseases. They’re all chronic inflammatory diseases. So we’re talking about the big kahuna now and the five pillars in the development of chronic inflammatory diseases.

So the first of the five is your genetics and it’s the deck of cards that you were dealt to come onto the planet right now. And you can’t change your genetics. That’s just what you’ve got. But very, very few genes mean you’re going to get the disease. There are [00:09:00] some like cystic fibrosis. If you’ve got that gene, it’s pretty certain you’re going to develop cystic fibrosis, the vast majority of the rest of the genes, like the breast cancer genes, BRCA one, BRCA two, the Alzheimer’s genes, April E for the diabetic genes, the celiac genes.

They don’t mean you’re going to get the disease. You know, if you pull it a chain, it breaks it. The weakest link always. And that’s at one end, the middle, the other end. It’s your heart, your brain, your liver, your kidneys, wherever your genetic weak link is. That’s where the chain’s going to break. So if your deck of cards, you were dealt, the gene for Alzheimer’s, it doesn’t mean you’re getting all the timers, but it means if you pull it the chain too much, that’s the link that’s likely to break and then you’re going to get Alzheimer’s.

So the takeaway is don’t pull on the chainsaw. And what’s the pole. The pole is inflammation. That’s the pool. That’s why [00:10:00] every disease that people die of is a chronic inflammatory disease. It’s inflammation. That’s pulling on the chain. And the first of the five pillars is your genetics. That’s the weak link in the chain.

And your genes don’t operate on, on off switches. Doctors have said that let’s turn off those genes. You can’t turn them off. They operate on dimmer switches. And so you can easily dim down the genes of inflammation and turn up the genes of anti-inflammation. And that’s the goal. That’s the million dollar goal.

And some people talk a bit by living an anti-inflammatory life. Well, all right. That’s true. What am I going to do with that? You know, what’s my mother going to do. If she hears you say, well, you need to live an anti-inflammatory life. She’s going to say, wow. You know, that doesn’t make any sense, but genes don’t control your destiny.

Genes [00:11:00] control a direction. If you throw too much gasoline on the fire, if you produce too much inflammation, then they control the direction that your body’s going in. So that’s the first of the five pillars. The second of the five pillars is environmental triggers. And the environmental triggers are the fingers on the knob of the dimmer switch.

So are you turning up the genes of anti-inflammation by eating blueberries one cup of blueberries a day for three years, and you’re thinking as well as you were 13 years ago, just read the science. It’s very clear, or your fingers on the knobs, turning up the genes of inflammation. Well, I just love French fries doc, and I only eat them once or twice a week.

Well, you know, those transform fatty acids and French fries stay in your blood for 57 days, 57 days effecting your oxygen levels in your blood from meeting. [00:12:00] But I love French fries. We’ll put that on your tombstone. You love French fries, right? So are you turning up the genes of anti-inflammation or are you turning up the genes of inflammation?

And there are no neutrals except healthy water. That’s the only neutral everything else is going to have an effect. We call it epi genetics around the genes. And that’s the term we were using back in the early two thousands. When the human genome was first fully identified, we say, well, the epigenetics have a lot to do with this.

And all that means is whose fingers around the knob of the. Is it the environmental influences that turn up inflammation or the environmental influences that turn up anti-inflammation is it the environmental influences that turn down inflammation or the environmental influences that turned down the genes of anti-inflammation?

What environmental triggers are [00:13:00] you putting in your body? Now? Environmental triggers also include what’s inside your body already. So the triggers of inflammation are toxic. And so we have what are called exotoxins, meaning what’s outside the body that you take in. And the most common source of that is what’s on the end of your fork.

And then their endotoxins. What’s already inside the body. A patient I worked with a few days ago. I see one patient every few months. They have to get past my staff before. Right. Which, which means they’ve been everywhere. They’ve tried everything and nothing works, you know, and I see them for one visit, just one visit, and then I recommend them, but I tell them what they have to do.

And this guy sent me 435 pages of test results. That cause he had been to many doctors and no one could figure out what was wrong. And if it was both endotoxin inside his body and [00:14:00] exotoxins outside those both and don’t tax him well, he is born and raised on a cotton farm in Alabama. And the plane used to fly by in the growing season, spring the cotton fields.

And they’d play out in the fields and the myths would come down on their mother playing. And then they jumped in the little ponds in the middle of the cotton fields that had formed in play in the water with all those organophosphates that were, he was loaded with organophosphates in his body, just loaded, which was affecting his brain function.

And so his body has the endotoxins mean all those toxic chemicals. That they get into your bloodstream and your brain says, get that stuff away from me, get it away from me. So it goes into storage and where does it go? It goes into the fat cells of the body. And that’s why so many people can’t lose weight.

Even if they don’t eat for a few days, they can’t lose weight because it’s not about calories for them. It’s about all this [00:15:00] toxic crud they’ve been exposed to that stored in their body. So that’s the second of the five pillars is environmental triggers. First was genetics. And then it’s the environmental triggers that act as the fingers on the knob of the dimmer switch of your genes, turning them up for turning them down.

The third of the five pillars that they’re teaching at Harvard medical school, right. The third of the five pillars is the environmental triggers that are inflammatory. And the most common environmental triggers is what’s on the end of your fork. So what you’re eating is affecting the microbiome in your gut.

Now, most of us have heard there’s 10 times more cells of bacteria in your body than human cells in your body. And they have a hundred times more genes and genes control function. You know, it’s like on the second bottle of wine, when we have a group of us, we’ve been teaching all day and we’re out to dinner.[00:16:00] 

That’s right. That’s right. That’s why I’m okay with being an 8.5. That’s why I’m at 10. And the discussion is, are we humans with a lot of bacteria or are we bacteria having a human experience? Because there’s more of them and they control more function than the human genes do from Yoda. Yes. Yes. And it’s really true.

I mean, the smartest of scientists will just sit and have this debate because it just rocks your world. When you look at it thoroughly that it really is the bacteria. It was professor Michael Gershwin at Princeton in 1999, who wrote the book the second brain. Yes. And he told us for every one message from the brain going down, telling the gut what to do.

There are nine messages from the gut going up, telling the brain what to do. And then professor Yehuda, Schonfeld in [00:17:00] Israel. The godfather of auto-immunity, this guy is incredible. And his students who received their PhD from him. There are many more, but 26 of those PhDs in immunology now chair, departments of immunology in med schools and hospitals around the world.

They’re his students. So this is the godfather. And he tells us that 36% of all the small molecules in your bloodstream are the metabolites of the bacteria in your gut. And I call it the exhaust of the bacteria in your gut. And you know, when you exercise hard and the next day your muscles are sore, it’s lactic acid, that’s in the muscle.

That’s the exhaust of your muscle cells. That’s all. And the exhaust of the bacteria gets into the bloodstream. 36% of everything. The bloodstream is exhausted, the bacteria and your. Why because they’re the messengers telling the [00:18:00] brain how to work the heart, how fast to be telling the liver, how much detoxification enzymes to me, they’ve got their hands on the steering wheel of where your body is going.

And so when you have too many bad guys in the gut, too much of the wrong bacteria and the amount of messages from the bad guys goes up a little too high in your bloodstream, then the messages are inflammation messages going to your genes. And the guts driving your car of life and where your health is going.

So just turning the steering wheel five degrees to the right a hundred yards and you’re off the road. So here comes depression and anxiety and bipolar and schizophrenia because there’s too many bad guys in the gut sending the directive messages to wherever the weak link in your chain. So I didn’t talk to him, but I think this is a really critical point years ago, I [00:19:00] went to my primary care physician.

I’d already run a DNA stool tests. I know we’ll talk about those. My primary care physician wasn’t there that day. I wanted to see what was going on in my blood. And it was like the Spanish inquisition to get a referral. And I’m a practitioner, but I wasn’t feeling right. I knew something wasn’t right. I was feeling down.

I was feeling sad and I was already had my investigation going on about the gut. And I asked him to write me a referral for a comprehensive blood test. And he said, no. And he wanted to prescribe me with antidepressants because my symptom was that I was feeling sad. So in light of what we just talked about, the nine messages going to the brain to tell the brain to make the neuro-transmitters talk to me about your view on what’s going on with the antidepressants at the most.

Well, it’s shotgun medicine. You know, there’s a song in the U S I grew up with, I grew up in Detroit and Motown, and it was a song shotgun [00:20:00] shot.

And, uh, I’ll stop there. I’m not a great singer, but it’s shotgun medicine and it’s not a deficiency of antidepressant medication. This is causing the problem. Well, the SSRI inhibitors will help increase serotonin serotonin low. So there is a place for pharmaceuticals that are needed in the short-term. So you can function.

Absolutely. No problem with that. If you can’t function, you take the meds so that you can function. But at the same time, you’re also asking the question, why is this happening to me now, doc, I read something from a professor of neurology at Princeton. Who says for every one message from the brain telling the gut what to do, there are nine messages from the gut telling the brain what to do.

If you say that to your primary care, they tilt their head sideways and just, well, I’m not sure. That’s true. Really argue with the professor emeritus [00:21:00] of neuroanatomy from Princeton. Really? They just don’t know. They don’t know. So there is a place for pharmaceuticals. We never want to dismiss that, but before you take them when you need them, but you’re also looking to see what can I do?

So I don’t need them any longer. I’ve never had a patient that had to stay on their high blood pressure medication. Very well. But when they come in on a high blood pressure, Medicaid, great. Stay on it. Please call your doctor, ask for the nurse because the doctor’s too busy. Tell the nurse you’re going to be working on changing your diet and taking supplements and things you’d like to come in every once in a while, just for a quick blood pressure check to make sure that the dosage of the medication is still accurate because this doctor is telling me that if our protocol works by changing your diet and exercising and taking some supplements, you’re going to need less high blood pressure medication.

And if you stay on the same dosage, when you really only need less, you’re going to get dizzy when [00:22:00] you stand up and you might pass out. So you want to make sure that your doctor who prescribed the medication is monitoring. And making sure that you’re safe from their point of view. Well, none of that stuff works great.

Then just monitor me and tell me that I still need the same dosing, but they’re going to see that your blood pressure’s getting better and I’ve never had a patient that had to stay on high blood pressure medication. Right? So that’s the concept. And so that’s number three is the altered microbiome and the geek term for that is dysbiosis DYS dysbiosis.

It means that the good guys and the bad guys are out of balance in your gut. That leads to number four. When the good guys and the bad guys are out of balance in your gut, you have an inflammation going on inside your God. And that causes number four, the leaky gut. Now, Mrs. Patient, your intestines are a tube that starts at the mouth and goes to the other [00:23:00] end about 20, 25 feet long kind of winds around in the center there, you know, but it’s one big long.

And if you consider a donut, if you could take a donut, I really miss donuts. Sometimes I just don’t eat them anymore, but I do miss them. If you take a donut and if you could stretch out one big, long doughnut and you look down the center of it, that’s your digestive track. So when you swallow food, it’s inside the donut.

It’s inside the two, it’s not in the body yet. The food has got to be broken down. That’s called digestion broken down really, really small. Think of like proteins being like a Pearl necklace and hydrochloric acid in your stomach. And does the clasp of the Pearl necklace. Now you have a string of pearls and imagine your digestive enzymes are scissors to cut the Pearl necklace.

Now. And cut again. Now it’s in four. Cut again. Now it’s an eight cut again. Now it’s in 16. Snip, snip, snip, snip, snip, snip, snip. [00:24:00] Until you’re down to each Pearl of the Pearl necklace, that’s called an amino acid, the building blocks of our body, Mrs. Patient. You have an entire new body every seven years, every Sonia body regenerates.

So how does that happen? It’s the amino acids from the food that you eat, that’s the raw material to make the new cells. So you need the amino acids to get into your bloodstream. Why does that happen from the donut? The inside of the donut is lined with cheesecloth and just like your grandmother’s gravy that she poured through the cheese cloth.

And so no clumps were in the gravy that only really small molecules, the size of one Pearl of the Pearl necklace can get through the cheesecloth and get into the bloodstream. But the clumps of Pearl necklace called peptides, they can’t get through until they’re snip, snip, snip, snip, snip, smaller and smaller until eventually it gets.

But when you have inflammation in your gut, because you got too many bad guys, not enough, good guys, and you get just an inflamed gut, you tear [00:25:00] the cheesecloth that’s leaky gut. When you tear the cheese cloth, bigger clumps of the Pearl necklace, bigger clumps of protein. Get through the terrorist and the cheese cloth before they’re supposed to, they’re called macro molecules, big molecules, and those macromolecules get through into the bloodstream.

And your BloodStream’s just a highway, you know, lots of traffic, but it’s all going the same direction. There’s no lanes there. Everything’s bumping into each other, but it’s just a highway. But now these macromolecules are in the bloodstream and your immune system. Which is the armed forces in your body.

It’s there to protect you. Army Navy air force Marines, all there to protect you. The immune system says, whoa, what’s that macromolecule. That’s not something I can use to make new muscle cell or new brain cell. I better fight that. Then the immune system gets activated to fight these macromolecules.

[00:26:00] That’s systemic inflammation, meaning the inflammation’s in your bloodstream. So it’s going everywhere. It’s in your entire system and you get systemically inflamed, which means you’re now pulling on your chain. And when you’re pulling on your chain enough, it breaks it. The weakest link. Now you’re back to your genetics.

Your it comes Alzheimer’s here comes breast cancer. Here comes rheumatoid arthritis here comes, and that doesn’t matter what it is. This is the mechanism that they’re teaching at Harvard medical school. Now as basic 1 0 1 for every medical doctor to understand. And it’s much, much more sophisticated than.

But for us as the lay people to try to understand how do I get healthier? You got to understand this big picture, the five pillars in the development of chronic inflammatory disease. We don’t have a chronic inflammatory disease. Everyone dies. If it’s not from trauma, from an accident from a chronic inflammatory disease, [00:27:00] whatever it is, it’s inflammation.

That’s been pulling on your chain for way too long. And this goes on for years and you don’t feel it by slides on Alzheimers from health and human services. Uh, us government show. That Alzheimer’s in the prodromal stage. Meaning all this inflammation is going on is 27 years before there are symptoms. Oh, I’m must be getting older.

I’m not remembering the way I used to. Well, how old are you? Like 42. No, that’s not supposed to happen. That’s why blue cross blue shield arguably the largest for-profit health insurance company in the us multi-billion dollar company. They published in February of 2020. They said we’ve got a real problem here.

And there was a 407% increase between 2013 and 2017. So in four years there was a [00:28:00] 407% increase in the diagnosis of Alzheimer’s in 30 to 45 year olds. Wow. Yeah, because we’re getting sick earlier because we’re more inflamed than people were 10 years ago were more inflamed than the people were 20 years ago, because there’s so much more garbage in our environment and so much more junk food and GMO foods and more chemicals and pesticides on our food and all that garbage gets in our body causing inflammation, which you don’t feel inflammation until it’s so really bad.

You’ve got a bonfire just can’t ignore anymore. But with Alzheimer’s it’s 27 years before you notice the symptoms that make you think what’s wrong with my brain 27 years. And you can identify this in the early stages when it’s first beginning with a simple blood test, but you don’t feel any. I feel fine when I eat French fries.

We’ll put that on your tombstone. [00:29:00] You know, that’s all you can say to people who are going to fight. Cross their arms and say, I feel fine. Well, you’re just not ready to learn yet. When you get sick enough, come on back. And then I’ll take the time and I’ll explain it to you again. I just plead with people.

It’s like, I’m fighting their inner battles to change their lifestyle. I won’t do that anymore. I don’t have time for that. There are so many people who are so sick who really want to get well. And if they understand, then they’re going to do whatever it takes to get well. So our time is spent with those people, not the ones that are saying, but I feel fine when I eat wheat, really read the science.

It doesn’t matter how you feel when you eat it for every one person that has gut symptoms from eating wheat. There are eight people that don’t, they’ve got brain symptoms or joint symptoms or skin or thyroid or gallbladder or liver. They don’t have guts. So you eat a pizza and you feel fine when you eat the [00:30:00] pizza.

So you think you’re okay. You’re not, it was from you actually that I learned to tell my clients, you’re lucky if you’re the, one of the ones that gets got symptoms, you’re lucky you told me that. And I’ll always, and, and you’ve helped so many people just from that one quote. Oh, thank you. That’s really great to hear.

That’s really great. So that’s the five pillars in the development of chronic inflammatory diseases and nine of the top 10 causes of death are chronic inflammatory diseases. So how important is this? Just to understand the basics. Okay. Well, there’s something about good bacteria and bad bacteria in my gut.

I need to learn a little more. What I eat has an effect on which genes get turned on and which genes get ramped up at which genes are calmed down. So, okay. I have to learn more. It’s going to take you six months or a year to learn this. That’s why the title of your show, which I loved so much, you know, [00:31:00] is feel good now, is that right?

You’ll be able to now feel better now. Well, when you understand this, you can feel great because you say, man, I’m really messed up right now. My tests are really a mess, but that’s great because all this is fixable. You just, you just have to put in the grumpy. To learn what foods cause inflammation for me and voice sleep.

Yeah. I sleep a good five hours a night. Oh. But they say I need eight hours. Okay. So what do I have to learn about sleep and how do I train my body for it? Okay. Well, I’ll try and you’re going to fall on your face a few times, but you just pick yourself up and you get back in the game and you’ll find eventually you dial this down and about all these toxins in your body, you have to learn about that, about bacterial infections, that cause brain problems and herpes, you know, there are 248 studies.

Last time I checked on herpes one, the cold sores that people get and Alzheimer’s. 248 [00:32:00] studies that if you break out with herpes sores on occasion, once a year, once every couple of years, when you’re under a lot of stress, it’s not just on your lip, your brain’s on fire. And that’s why we check every patient.

When we’re doing our brain scan, we check them for antibodies to herpes along with 47 other antibodies. Because if you have elevated antibodies or herpes, that means you’ve got too much virus going on right now. And your immune system’s spending its precious energy, trying to calm it. So let’s work on strengthen your immune system to get these viruses under control.

What do you think of the concept of leaky gut? These also a leaky brain? Oh, it’s very accurate, very accurate. The structures that make up the ability of the gut to absorb the pearls of the Pearl necklace. Leaky gut is called pathogenic intestinal permeability. That’s the geek term. Intestinal permeability is not bad for [00:33:00] you.

It’s the way we absorb all our nutrients. Excessive intestinal permeability is bad for you. That’s leaky gut permeability of the blood-brain barrier is not bad for you because we have to allow nutrients to get in the brain. Excessive permeability. Of the blood-brain barrier is bad for you and the architecture that allows food and supplements, nutrients to get through from the donut into the bloodstream, that architecture, those components are called zonulin occludin Clauden actin myosin.

Those are all components of the blood brain barrier. So when you test for leaky gut and the wheat Zoomer is the best test ever that I’ve seen anywhere in the world. So. But when you test for leaky gut, you’re also testing for leaky brain. [00:34:00] Cause if you’ve got elevated antibodies to zonulin, it’s not only attacking the zonulin in the lining of the gut, it’s attacking the zonulin in the lining of your lungs, zonulin in the lining of your bladder, of your ovaries, of your testes and your brain.

So if you have leaky gut, you’ve got leaky, ovaries, leaky, testicles, leaky brain. And I know for people that are not in health care, that sounds really weird. And you’re imagining stuff dripping up. Guys are imagining stuff dripping out of their testicles, you know, and it’s not like that this is at the microscopic level, but that’s where the inflammation comes from.

Yes. When you were talking about, then I was just imagining big florets of broccoli and I feel it floating around in my bloodstream. And you talked eloquently about that. Explain to me what that means in terms of the leakiness, creating food sensitivity issues before it can close up [00:35:00] again to what it’s normally supposed to be.

Right? Right. Really good question. Yeah. When you get terrorist of the cheesecloth, it doesn’t matter what the food is. If a macromolecule of that food gets through the tears in the cheesecloth, into your bloodstream, your immune system, trying to protect you is going to fight broccoli. Now you’re allergic to broccoli.

This big clump of tomato got in there. Now you’ve got antibodies to tomatoes or to Bazell or to check in or to be it doesn’t matter. Strawberries. And that’s a person that does a 90 food panel and it comes back in their sense of the 25 foods. And they say, oh my God, that’s everything. Well, of course it is your immune.

System’s trying to protect you. You got lots of terrorists in your cheesecloth. Let’s fix the gut, wait six months and go back and check. Now you’re sensitive to two foods, maybe three, so important. And I love that the elimination is still the gold standard of creating that healthy function again. And what about though?

[00:36:00] Dr. Tom? The link between food sensitivities and auto-immune oh, it’s critically important. There’s a geek concept called molecular mimicry. It means that molecules of one substance can mimic something else. And what happens, let’s say some macro molecule of chicken gets through to the terrorist in the cheesecloth, into your bloodstream and your immune system, trying to protect.

It starts making antibodies to chicken cause your bloodstream. So highway, you know, and there’s lots and lots of traffic on the highway. 36% of everything is the exhaust from the bacteria in the gut. Right. But now you got these big molecules of chicken in your bloodstream. These macromolecules are there.

How do the antibodies know to attack chicken? Because there’s no lanes of traffic in there on your highway? Uh, I don’t know in Australia, but in the U S at the circus, kids could drive these [00:37:00] bumper cars to each other. Boom, boom. And we used to do that a lot when we were kids and it was a lot of fun.

That’s going on into your bloodstream all the time, every day. Cause there’s no lanes of traffic everything’s going the same direction. So how did the antibodies identified the chicken? Wait, stand still. I got to shoot you. How did they do that? They’re trained to look for orange. I say orange vest, like a hunter.

He puts on an orange vest when he was going out to hunt so that any other hunters can see him right away. Right? So the orange vest is a protein signature of chicken and the protein signature means the amino acids, the pearls of the Pearl necklace. So it may look for a 15 amino acid chunk of chicken.

That’s the orange vest. I’m going to say that’s AA BCD. So the antibody. And so going through the bloodstream, looking for orange vest AABs oh, look over [00:38:00] there. ABCB boom. And they fire their chemical bullet to destroy that chicken macromolecule. Great. Well, your blood goes everywhere in your body. And as an example, the surface of the thyroid facing the bloodstream is made up of proteins and fats.

The proteins are made up of the amino acids. Hundreds of amino acids long, which may include a, B, C, D. So the antibody is going after chicken, looking for orange, vests, a B, C, D, and say, oh, look over there. There’s an orange vest hiding on the thyroid boom. And they fire their chemical bullet at the thyroid.

So now they damage that thyroid cell. And you always have some antibodies to your thyroid in your bloodstream. You have antibodies to your brain, to your muscles, to your bones. Why? Because you have an entire new body every seven years, and you have to get rid of the old damaged cells to make room for new cells.

And antibodies are part of the way [00:39:00] that’s done. That’s why, if you do a blood test for your thyroid and you look for antibodies to your thyroid, there’s a normal reference range that the lab says. And usually it’s about zero to 42, 0 to 36, depends on the lab, but that’s why there’s a normal range. Why is it normal to have antibodies.

Because you have to get rid of the old and damaged cells to make room for new cells. Okay. But if you’ve got 68 antibodies to your thyroid, what that means is you’re making you’re killing off more thyroid cells than you’re making. So the blood test says you’re elevated or as high for thyroid antibodies.

That means you’re killing off your thyroid. It’s going to take a number of years, but you’re killing off your thyroid. Why? Because a, B, C, D looking for chicken and you don’t know you’re allergic to chicken, cause it doesn’t make you sick. So you’re eating chicken every once in a while, you make these antibodies that are in the bloodstream, looking for orange festival over their orange vests.

If your genetic vulnerability is thyroid orange vests and boom, they fire their chemical bullet at [00:40:00] your thyroid. Now you make more thyroid antibodies to get rid of the old and damaged cells. You get elevated thyroid antibodies, and this becomes self perpetuating eventually. And now you develop Hashimoto’s thyroid disease.

And it came from a food sensitivity. You see that paper after research paper, after research paper, after research, just Google, molecular mimicry and whatever disease you’ve got. And see if there aren’t some studies talking about gluten and multiple sclerosis or milk dairy, and multiple sclerosis or potatoes and rheumatoid arthritis.

There are so much science now on this, the nightshade family and different arthritis’s, there’s so much science, but unfortunately our doctors haven’t been trained on this. They’re getting it now at Harvard and I’m hoping at many other medical schools, they’re getting it now. Thanks to professor Fasano and [00:41:00] others.

They’re getting it, but that’s the five pillars in the development of chronic inflammatory diseases. So that systemic inflammation, number five. It’s going to manifest where the weak link in your chain is, and that’s where the auto immune diseases develop. Thank you so much for explaining the point about the auto-immune is really important.

I think my own father had some health issues some time ago. And when we did a full blood examination, including a full thyroid panel, which we have to beg for, to look at the thyroid antibodies, they were sky high and he was advised, oh, that’s not an issue. We don’t address that. Just blanket. No, that’s believable the arrogance, excuse me.

But the arrogance of some of our doctors when they just don’t know anything about a subject that I’m really not familiar with that one. I’m sorry, I can’t comment on it. I don’t know. They just try to dismiss it. [00:42:00] Rumi towards specialists too. Wow. Wow. Yeah, that’s unfortunate. Yeah, it is. Let’s talk about.

Gluten I’m one of your students, a certified gluten practitioner, and you teach thousands of students, tens of thousands all over the world. This very important topic, which has so much confusion. Yes, it does. People don’t want to believe it. And the doctors just don’t read the studies. So they don’t know.

That’s why I say every certified gluten-free practitioner can stand toe to toe with the gastroenterologists and have the big picture concept. And most gastroenterologists don’t have. Now the gastroenterologists know more science. They know more anatomy. They worked on cadavers and you know, they’ve studied the minutia, but they don’t have the big picture.

They don’t understand the big picture. Here’s the big picture. Your body Mrs. Patient is the same measure. Ancestors, 10,000 years ago, same [00:43:00] kidneys, same gallbladder, same feet, same joints, same scale. You know, we use our brains more. So we’ve got community comfort and more food and all that, but our bodies work the same, right?

So our ancestors, one of their big jobs was looking for food and they find something. The first thing they do is sniff it. The second thing is they nibble at it a little bit and then they eat it. If there was bad bacteria that they couldn’t smell or taste nasty bacteria, dangerous virus, bacteria in that food.

Now they’ve swallowed it. It’s in the tube, it’s in the donut and it goes through the stomach. And when it comes out of the stomach into the first part of the small intestine, right, they’re standing guard or centuries, they’re relaxed. They stand at guard, but they’re not active. They’re called toll like receptor four, TLR four.

And their job is to identify any dangerous bugs that come in. If they identify a [00:44:00] dangerous. That’s coming with the glob of food. That’s coming out of the stomach into the first part of the small intestine. They immediately do two things. First. They sound the alarm.

I’ve never done that sound before. This is the first time, but they sound the alarm and now comes all the inflammation molecules. I IL one beta tumor necrosis factor, interferon gamma six. There’s the whole array of inflammation, molecules that come immediately to the rest of. To try to kill this thing.

That’s the first thing that toll like receptor does when it hits the alarm button. The second thing it does is it calls up more zonulin protein cause zonulin protein opens the junctions. Now you got leaky gut because the job of leaky gut is to bring water into the donut, into the [00:45:00] tube. So water is going to wash out this bug with the poop.

That’s the job of leaky gut. It’s a really good thing to have, right? And that happens any time like receptor four sees a bug coming out of the stomach. Here’s the problem. Wheat is misinterpreted. Gluten in wheat is misinterpreted as a harmful component of a micro organic. Toll like receptor four CS, gluten, a BCD coming out of the stomach and hits the alarm.

Maureen Leonard at Harvard famous gastroenterologist. She read 64 papers. I think it was 60, maybe 67 on this topic. And in 2017, she published an article in the journal of the American medical association and called a literature review on this one topic. And she said, gluten activates toll-like receptor [00:46:00] four in all humans who consume it.

This occurs in every human. I feel fine when I eat wheat, doesn’t cut it. It doesn’t matter if you feel fine, this mechanism is going on. Every time you eat. You get this inflammatory cascade of all of these cytokines produced because the alarm went off

and you also get the water coming in to wash it out. And that happens every human who consumes wheat, you can’t argue with this. There is no debate. There are so many studies on this now, and it’s confirmed again and again. And it’s not just gluten. There are other components in wheat. The Emily’s trypsin inhibitor will do this also, uh, wheat, germ of glutenins.

We’ll do this, the lectins and wheat we’ll do this. So it’s weekly. Is misinterpreted, but we’ve been eating wheat [00:47:00] and soon the Bible don’t ever say that don’t ever try to use that as an excuse. It’s true. Civilization started 10,000 years ago, but very few people got celiac or got sick from wheat back then.

But now. Because we are so toxic, we have so many toxic chemicals in our body. There’s so much other environmental triggers that we’re dealing with. And it had been accumulating in our body since the day we were born, that wheat is no longer a minor irritant. It’s a major component in the development of chronic inflammatory diseases.

And it’s wheat, barley, and rye. Talk about the difference between those and things like rice. I love your quote. Gluten is not bad for you. Bad. Gluten is bad for you. That’s right. That’s right. Cause there’s gluten in rice. There’s gluten in corn. There’s gluten and keenwah now people can be allergic to corn is actually very, very common and to rice and [00:48:00] especially rice today, unfortunately very often high in arsenic because they’ve been fertilizing the fields for years and years and years with fertilizer that has higher.

And then Bryce lives in water, right? The rice patties they’re flooded in. And the water comes from the streams and the rivers and all of the insecticides and pesticides and fertilizers that they use in the area, runoff the rain into the rivers. And that’s where they take the water for the rice fields.

And so you’re getting all kinds of toxic, heavy metals in rice. So it’s getting more and more important to eat organic rice. And even then you’re really not safe. It’s unfortunate, but we really have to test for heavy metals every few years. I think we all do. Um, the rain washes off basmati. So if you get organic basmati rice, that’s the best one is that I’ve heard something about bus.

Marty [00:49:00] rice has lower concentrations of toxic components. I didn’t know why. And it may be that rain washes off some of the sprayed fertilizers, but it doesn’t wash off the heavy metals that have come up through the roots of the plant. Yes. And I think it’s important that people understand, and I don’t know the exact ratio, but the components in the wheat that we can’t tolerate, but also all that weight is sprayed with all the pesticides and the glyphosate.

So, you know, more and more gasoline on the fire. That’s exactly right. This study that I’m going to tell you about is jaw dropping. It relates to one specific group in the study, but it relates to all of us just depending on what your genetic weak link is. I can guarantee you, this is pulling on the chain.

Okay. They took couples going to assisted fertility centers, trying to get pregnant, and they divided them into two groups. One group, they [00:50:00] put on an organic diet and the other, they put on conventions. Diets. They didn’t tell them how much of anything they had to eat. They just supplied them with all their food.

And then they divided the couples into core tiles, the lowest amount of fruits and vegetables per day consumed the next level, the third level and the highest level for organic and then for conventional. So the four different groups for each category, then they compared the groups and the highest level was 2.3 servings per day of fruits and vegetables, which is nothing it’s nowhere near where it should be.

It’s not enough, but that was the highest for these couples. And they compared the couples eating conventional produce and the couples eating organic produce. The couples [00:51:00] eating the highest level of fruits and vegetables, like the Mediterranean diet, lots of fruits and vegetables, which we all think is so good for us.

They compared the organic and inorganic, the inorganic, the conventional fruits and vegetables, meaning you buy them at the local market. They’re not organic. If they were eating conventional vet vegetables, they had an 18% less likelihood of achieving a pregnancy in this assisted fertility center, 18%.

Wow. But that’s not even the worst. And these people are spending as you know, tens of thousands of dollars of their own money in this. This was the worst. If they were eating conventional fruits and vegetables, the highest amounts per day, 2.3 or more servings per day, they had a 26% less likelihood of a live birth, meaning miscarriages and stillbirths, 26%.

Wow, because they’re trying to be healthy, eating fruits and vegetables, but the fruits and vegetables are toxic. [00:52:00] When I read that study, I realized, and this was in the journal of the American medical association and the editors of the journals said, and they don’t say this very, that this is an elegant study using sophisticated biomarkers, meaning look at how this is a great study.

I don’t give a stamp of approval like that very often. And I realized that I’d been thinking about organic versus inorganic. Yeah, it’s a good idea. You know, if you can, you know, always better the way I was thinking about it 10 years ago, and I read that study and now we’re squeaky clean, organic squeaky clean.

If we’re going out to a restaurant together, And that doesn’t happen often because for we live. But if we do, we take an extra 4,000 units of vitamin C or we go, plus we take extra digestive enzymes to try and break this stuff down as much as possible. So we can enjoy the meal that we’re having. And we don’t eat [00:53:00] garbage.

You know, it’s nice meal, but it’s conventional fruits and vegetables that we really don’t have the luxury of ignoring this anymore. And as I said, at the beginning of this study, when I talked about this study, this was a particular subset of people. Wanting to get pregnant, but this would relate to somebody wanting better brain function.

This would relate to somebody who’s got rheumatoid arthritis. This would relate to somebody who’s got chronic fatigue or Epstein-Barr virus, meaning we’re poisoning ourselves with the fruits and vegetables that we’re eating today. The conventional fruits and vegetables, like never before in the history of humans, I’m hoping I’m shocking people right now.

This is the journal of the American medical association. Arguably the number one journal in the English language, arguably, and the editors gave it a stamp of approval saying this is an elegant study using sophisticated biomarkers. They [00:54:00] couldn’t say in any other way of how important it is because there are a bunch of stuffy shirts.

And they’re not going to be, get excited the way I do and say, what’s the matter with you read this study? How can you not head to organic? Well, you know, I feel fine when I will put it on your tombstone. He felt fine with his kidney cancer, right? No, how’s the health minister, not, you know, not, not handing out, you know, ganache, fruits and vegetables and making it a better.

Why aren’t we supporting our organic farmers? I mean, everyone should be going to farmer’s markets and you know, buying well, you know, the apples don’t look as nice. Who cares? They taste better. They’ve got more phytonutrients in them. They’ve got more polyphenols are so much healthier for you as long as there’s no worms in them.

And they’re not. There we go to a farmer’s market about once every three or four weeks, we go into the Capitol to San Jose and we just love going there because these people they’re devoting their lives to making [00:55:00] high quality food. Every government should be supporting. The organic farmers in their country to support this higher quality food, because this is devastating.

That is a devastating study. When you understand the implications of this, it’s just devastating for our future health and the future of our children. The environmental working group has got such great resources for people that can’t access organic food on at least how to wash your fresh produce properly in say an apple cider vinegar or something like that to get, and people say, oh, why, you know, why would I need to wash something that might have bacteria all over it or being sprayed?

What do you think about the effectiveness of washing fruits and vegetables in say an apple cider vinegar? Um, I’m not familiar with using apple cider vinegar. It rationally makes sense. Um, it kills bacteria. I’m not sure how effective it is [00:56:00] with, uh, uh, pesticides and insecticides, but I’ve interviewed my friend, Stephen Ezell, whose company is can’t remember the names cause he’s my friend.

I can’t remember names company I’m embarrassed, but anyway, I’ll have it for you in just a minute. Here. He came up with cleaning products that are Oregon. Or harmless to the environment. And when you buy your laundry soap, the first one comes in a standard, big plastic jug, but the refills come in, disposable plastic bags that you fill up your jug with.

So they’re not shipping jugs every time. And it’s cheaper that way. So much cheaper millions of plastic jugs that he’s saved over the years by doing this, my green fills.com. My green fills.com and they have a veggie wash that removes over 94% of the [00:57:00] pesticides and insecticides on your fruit and vegetables.

So if you can’t get organic, for whatever reason, you go to the environmental working group, ewg.org, you download their list of the dirty dozen. Those you stay away from. Cause they’re the very worse and you download their list of the clean 15. And those are the ones that you focus on for your family most of the time.

And when you buy the clean 15, you then bring them home. He’s got it in a spray. And also you can put some drops in a bowl of water and you know, you take your broccoli, you just dip it in the bowl of water. You hold it there for like three seconds, shake it, it’s done. And then you pour your apples in there and take them out, you know, and rinse them off under the sink or something.

It’s done that quickly. And you’ve removed over 94% of the pesticides and insecticides. So it’s a little more work, but you’re protecting your family. If you can’t get organic for whatever reason, [00:58:00] this is how you can protect your children and your spouse and yourself from these nasty cancers that are going up.

These nasty auto-immune diseases, I mean 26% loss of pregnancy. 26% loss of live birth. When these couples did get pregnant at the assisted fertility center, one out of four, lost the baby. If they were eating in organic produce, not if they were eating organic produce. Yeah, that’s fine. Unbelievable.

Unbelievable. And we need to take responsibility for knowing this information to bring up our children. I think as a parent, you know, one of the things that I’m so proud of is that I have taken responsibility for health and nutrition in our household and my children see me modeling this behavior. And now that you’ve got beautiful DEO, how has being a parent changed you doctors?

Oh, there’s no discussion anymore. [00:59:00] Everything’s organic, you know, before it goes just me and my wife, you know, we lived in Northern Italy for a couple of years and loved the restaurants there and love the food. There was an organic store when we go shopping for fruits and vegetables, we’d go there most of the time.

But at other times, you know, oh, we ran out of mushrooms and I wanted to cook. My wife has steak. So I just go to the local store and get onions and mushrooms, not organic. I don’t do that anymore. I won’t do that. I won’t bring that stuff in the house. We’ll do fine until we get back to the organic store or the farmer’s market, we’ll go without mushrooms or whatever it is.

So with my son here now, we’re giving him the best possible shot that we can at having a healthy, vibrant body, because the way we’re messing up this planet, it’s the next generation that’s going to have to say. Because we are too locked into how we live our lives. We’re not going to do [01:00:00] it. And most everyone who’s listening to, this has heard of the world health organization or the United nations saying that we’re not going to have enough food in 30 years or the climate’s melting ice caps and all those kinds of things.

They’re so big to try to understand, but we’re not doing anything to change it. Oh, that’s too bad as we drive our big SUV’s to the store. Oh, that’s just too bad. You know, we’re just burning fuel recklessly and causing more pollution. Oh, that’s too bad. When we brush our teeth and we leave the water running in the sink while we’re brushing our teeth, because there is plenty of water.

I have to worry about. We just don’t have a consciousness about being an, I don’t want to use the word frugal. We don’t have to be frugal, but we’re not smart with our resources. If you’re letting the water run in the bathroom sink while you’re brushing your teeth, because you’re so used to hearing the water run.

And it’s a nice sound for you, but people are dying in the world of [01:01:00] starvation. We have to change the way we think. And I don’t think most of us are going to do that. We’re too locked into being old farts in our brains. And it’s the next generation is going to have to try and save the planet. So the more we can protect their brain and protect their body as it’s growing, give them less and less poison as best we can.

It made a huge difference in my life. When my son came into our lives, we just. And so what, uh, you personally working on now to feel better yourself? Well, you know, I love sharing information and for me personally, I’ve never really taken in the impact that I’m having in the world. I’ve never allowed myself to really see it.

I can always do more. I can always do more. I was being raised with the Jesuits, I guess, you know, that got, that, got to me there, but now with my son and [01:02:00] we live in the blue zone, Costa Rica, where, uh, longevity is very famous here. I find that I’ve just got a more peaceful outlook and I take it. That this is great work.

I’m really grateful to be able to have an impact like this. I wake up every day and our son sleeps between us. And when he starts to stir he’ll stir roll over against Marcy’s body and then rolls over and turns over one or two and against my body. Rolls back and his foot’s on my face and he’s like rolling around and then eventually he opens his eyes and he looks, and he just smiled.

Hi. Hi, welcome. Oh, and that’s how we start our day every day. And I’m just so very grateful for that. So what I’m working on is being more open and receptive to taking in how [01:03:00] wonderful life can be. Oh, Dr. Tom, that he’s just so beautiful. Thank you for sharing that. It’s so true. Isn’t it? I love the story you told about geo and the getting kicked in the face.

First thing in the, and the big smile, because we can learn so much from our children having limitless, joy and limitless energy, you know, just this, the beaming smiles, the bright white eyes is just so bad. We, uh, have followed and attended a few events with Dr. Joe Dispenza. And Joe’s a great guy. And he talked about where the terrible twos come from and the terrible twos come from when they were one and starting to walk.

No, don’t do this. No, don’t do that. No, no, don’t do that. Nope. Nope. So Marcy and I are trying our best, never to use the word. No. And you know, our kids get programmed by what they [01:04:00] see and what they hear. And so we’re doing our best to allow this little human, to develop to his full potential, full brain power and brain function.

And hopefully his personality development. We’re trying to be as conscious as we can of the impact. That we have in modeling for him, how he responds to the stresses of life. Oh, I love that so much. Dr. Bruce Lipton, also one of my teachers and we’re having a great conversation on the podcast about all of the programming, not just up to the years of seven years old when most of your programming is set in place, but in vitro as well.

So, you know, I think I love that you shared that lesson about modeling behavior to allow those subconscious programs to develop that are supportive and not sabotaging. Exactly. Exactly. And no, no. Parent is conscious. [01:05:00] Sabotaging their child’s development, but they haven’t taken the time to learn how they may be unconsciously sabotaging their child’s development.

We, we are blessed that Marcy is her top priority and she’s reading every day about this and learning things. And I didn’t know that the first time around, you know, I’ve raised two kids and I have two grandchildren. And I didn’t know that when I was raising my kids, I was feeling. Trying to be a good dad and building a practice and studying and working hard.

And I didn’t know any of what I know now. Yes. Yeah, me too. And we’re all just trying to do the best that we can and knowledge is power. And that’s why I love what you do, Dr. Tom, and you’re right. I’m very happy to hear that you are celebrating your impact in the world because it goes beyond what you could ever imagine.

And tell me what adventure I, you embarking on next, such a busy, uh, we, um, [01:06:00] came up with this idea, you know, cause I w we were just talking and my staff asked me one day, doc, how long does it take for someone who’s never done any of this or who’s stuck? How long does it take before they know that they’re on the right path, 10 days, give me 10 days and do what we say for 10 days and you’ll know.

If this is worth pursuing or not, because we have a 30 day rebuilding a leaky gut program. And I said, you know, do the 10 day challenge, just give me 10 days. If you’re willing to do that, then you’re going to do great. I don’t care if you’ve got rheumatoid or cancer or brain dysfunction or Parkinson’s, you’ll notice within 10 days.

Wow. My bowel movement. That’s better than it’s been in a long time. Wow. I didn’t fall asleep yet this afternoon. Like I usually do, or, wow. My energy’s up below. You’ll notice a difference in 10 days. So we’re calling it the 10 day challenge [01:07:00] and it said the Dr. Com forward slash leaky gut. Amazing. Well, and we’ll pop that in the show notes as well.

Everybody needs to do that. I am so honored to be a student of yours, Dr. Tom. And that challenge is fantastic because I think once you start to feel better, you crave feeling better because feeling good feels good. Yeah. Yes, exactly. Exactly. My goal is just to have people noticed a positive difference.

Within 10 days, because then they’re reinforced to stay with it and do, and do something to change the direction of your health. Look, when, when you’ve got symptoms, it’s like a snowball and we’ve all seen the cartoons of a snowball going downhill. As it goes downhill, the snowball gets bigger and bigger and goes faster and faster.

There’s no way you’re ever going to reverse that right away. Well, tell me what to take, to feel better, to get rid of my. There’s nothing. [01:08:00] That’s going to stop that. Of course you can override the pain message. Short-term was a medications. That’s a good idea sometimes, but what you have to do on that downward slope is start applying lifestyle changes to slow down the downward slope until it flattens out.

And when it flattens out, you keep the lifestyle change and then you start going back uphill and you feel better and feel better and feel better. And it takes about 10 days. If you’re consistent with this, to notice that you’re starting to slope down, you’re starting to level off. It’ll take about 10 days and I’ve shot over 80 videos that we’re going to be using.

Many of them in this 10 day challenge. I’m sending you video after video after video. And I’ll give you one example. I just shot a video yesterday because it’s going to start in about two weeks. And I shot a video yesterday, for all those who have already registered. I said, hi, thanks so much for [01:09:00] registering.

Listen out. I just want to give you this concept from the new England journal of medicine. And it’s about obesity in this article, but it relates to whatever your health condition is. This one is about genes for obesity, and we know that the FTO gene, if you have one of those, it’s a 36% increased likelihood.

You’ll develop obesity. And if you have two FTO genes, one from your mother, one from your father, it’s 64% more likelihood. It doesn’t mean you’re going to get obese, but you’re 64% more likely meaning you pull up the chain, the chain breaks at the weakest link. If that’s your weak link. So 34 or 67%, but then they said, you know, but this really started us.

If you’re friends with someone and while you’re friends with them, they develop obesity, your risk of developing obesity. 171% higher, almost three [01:10:00] times what having two genes will do to you. So your friends and your social network has such an influence over your health and wellbeing. You and Tony Robbins tells us you hang out with nasty people.

You think nasty thoughts. You hang out with tight people. You’re tired. Well, I’m inviting you because you’ve registered for the 10 day challenge. Invite a friend, bring them on board. It’s all free. Bring them on board because then you guys will talk on your own and you’ll compare. And how’s it going for you?

So if your friend develops obesity, you’re 171% more likely to develop obesity. Well, if your friend is getting healthy, You’re going to be a whole lot more likely to get healthier if you’re on this journey together. So I just shot that video yesterday and I sent it to the team. They said, oh, that’s great.

And I showed the picture of the slides, you know, of the studies in the video for people to see, you know, I share a screen and show them my screen. So that’s what [01:11:00] we’re doing. And I’m looking forward to, I’m really looking forward to, it’s going to be fun. Oh, me too. It’s going to be amazing. Oh, we’ll talk to Tom.

Thank you so much. It’s getting late where you are. So I’m going to let you go, but you are just an angel, a true spirit in this human existence. You’ll book. The auto-immune. You can fix your brain and the leaky gut challenge. You know, you’re so generous with your knowledge and we really appreciate you.

Thank you so much for coming on the show, Jackie. Thank you. It’s a real pleasure. And once again, congratulations for what you’re doing is a huge service for all the listeners out there and all you listeners out there. If this was a value, please send Jackie a little. Thank you. Just let, let her know. Cause it’s a lot of work to do what she’s doing.

So thank you very much. Thank you, Tom. If you made it to the end of this episode, celebrate yourself because it means you are truly dedicated to feeling [01:12:00] better in your health, in your career, in your relationships. And I am so proud of you. And if you want more, Feel better now. So tuning every Monday for new episodes and join our community on Instagram at Jackie Barker for all the behind the scenes action and more.

Hey, why don’t you sign up for a chance to have your question answered at feel better. institute.com/signup. That’s feel better. institute.com/signup, but most of all, please keep reaching to feel better because the world needs you to feel good. So you can share that very special gift that only you have.

So with that said, see you soon here’s to feeling better now, bye-bye Jackie.

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